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		<title>By: khandor</title>
		<link>http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/2010/07/rundown-what-not-to-do/comment-page-1/#comment-884</link>
		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 11:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

1. What have you seen to this point to indicate that any of: 

DeRozan
Weems
Johnson
Belinelli
Davis
Albai 
etc.

fit the description of being &quot;a good young player&quot; for a team which can grow into a championship calibre outfit down-the-road?

[i.e. IMO, none of these 6 players has yet shown that he can be a legit No. 2 option for a Top Notch team in the NBA.]

2. What gives you any sort of hope that Bryan Colangelo has any intention, whatsoever, of trading Bargnani and Turkoglu this summer?

[i.e. IMO, he has zero interest in doing this now that it looks like CB4 will not re-sign with the Raptors.]

3. When the OKC Thunder began their re-build they had seasons with the following win totals:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2006.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;05-06&lt;/a&gt;, in Sea
- 35-47
- had Allen/R, No. 5 [overall] Draft Pick/1996
- had Collison/D, No. 12 [overall] Draft Pick/2003
- had Ridnour/L, No. 14 [overall] Draft Pick/2003
- had Lewis/R, No. 32 [overall] Draft Pick/1998
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2007.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;06-07&lt;/a&gt;, in Sea
- 31-51
- Rick Sund/GM was fired
- Sam Presti/GM was hired, from the SA Spurs
- fired Bob Hill [head coach]
- hired PJ Carlesimo [head coach]
- did not re-sign Lewis/R
- traded Allen/R to Boston
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2008.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;07-08&lt;/a&gt;, in Sea
- 20-62
- added Durant/K, No. 2 [overall] Draft Pick/2007
- added Green/J, No. 5 [overall] Draft Pick/2007
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/OKC/2009.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;08-09&lt;/a&gt;, in OKC
- 23-59
- fired PJ Carlesimo [head coach]
- promoted Scott Brooks [head coach]
- added Russell Westbrook, No. 4 [overall] Draft Pick/2008
- added Serge Ibaka, No. 24 [overall] Draft Pick/2008
- added Thabo Sefolosha, No. 13 [overall] Draft Pick/2006, via trade with Chicago 
- added Nenad Krstic, via UFA signing
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/OKC/2010.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;09-10&lt;/a&gt;, in OKC
- 50-32
- added James Harden, No. 3 [overall] Draft Pick/2009
- added Eric Maynor, No. 20 [overall] Draft Pick/2009

4. Realistically, do you see something like THAT ever happening in a market like Toronto, under the direction of a GM like Bryan Colangelo, for an ownership group like MLSE?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>1. What have you seen to this point to indicate that any of: </p>
<p>DeRozan<br />
Weems<br />
Johnson<br />
Belinelli<br />
Davis<br />
Albai<br />
etc.</p>
<p>fit the description of being &#8220;a good young player&#8221; for a team which can grow into a championship calibre outfit down-the-road?</p>
<p>[i.e. IMO, none of these 6 players has yet shown that he can be a legit No. 2 option for a Top Notch team in the NBA.]</p>
<p>2. What gives you any sort of hope that Bryan Colangelo has any intention, whatsoever, of trading Bargnani and Turkoglu this summer?</p>
<p>[i.e. IMO, he has zero interest in doing this now that it looks like CB4 will not re-sign with the Raptors.]</p>
<p>3. When the OKC Thunder began their re-build they had seasons with the following win totals:</p>
<p><a  href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2006.html" rel="nofollow">05-06</a>, in Sea<br />
- 35-47<br />
- had Allen/R, No. 5 [overall] Draft Pick/1996<br />
- had Collison/D, No. 12 [overall] Draft Pick/2003<br />
- had Ridnour/L, No. 14 [overall] Draft Pick/2003<br />
- had Lewis/R, No. 32 [overall] Draft Pick/1998<br />
<a  href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2007.html" rel="nofollow">06-07</a>, in Sea<br />
- 31-51<br />
- Rick Sund/GM was fired<br />
- Sam Presti/GM was hired, from the SA Spurs<br />
- fired Bob Hill [head coach]<br />
- hired PJ Carlesimo [head coach]<br />
- did not re-sign Lewis/R<br />
- traded Allen/R to Boston<br />
<a  href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/SEA/2008.html" rel="nofollow">07-08</a>, in Sea<br />
- 20-62<br />
- added Durant/K, No. 2 [overall] Draft Pick/2007<br />
- added Green/J, No. 5 [overall] Draft Pick/2007<br />
<a  href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/OKC/2009.html" rel="nofollow">08-09</a>, in OKC<br />
- 23-59<br />
- fired PJ Carlesimo [head coach]<br />
- promoted Scott Brooks [head coach]<br />
- added Russell Westbrook, No. 4 [overall] Draft Pick/2008<br />
- added Serge Ibaka, No. 24 [overall] Draft Pick/2008<br />
- added Thabo Sefolosha, No. 13 [overall] Draft Pick/2006, via trade with Chicago<br />
- added Nenad Krstic, via UFA signing<br />
<a  href="http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/OKC/2010.html" rel="nofollow">09-10</a>, in OKC<br />
- 50-32<br />
- added James Harden, No. 3 [overall] Draft Pick/2009<br />
- added Eric Maynor, No. 20 [overall] Draft Pick/2009</p>
<p>4. Realistically, do you see something like THAT ever happening in a market like Toronto, under the direction of a GM like Bryan Colangelo, for an ownership group like MLSE?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim W.</title>
		<link>http://www.wearingfilm.com/picketfence/2010/07/rundown-what-not-to-do/comment-page-1/#comment-883</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jul 2010 06:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d have no problem with the Raptors adding a player who can play now, or even a solid veteran, depending on his position.  I think the Raptors have a number of young, talented pieces (Davis, Alabi, Johnson, Weems, DeRozan and Belinelli) that a total rebuild is not necessarily in order.  While I really think the team needs to focus on the development of younger players, I think a team comprised solely of young players can be dangerous for their development.  Without a few veterans, even ones who play in excess of 20 mpg, is important.  I think the type of veteran is incredibly important, which is why I&#039;d love to get a guy like Battier, who is a solid veteran leader.  

And I don&#039;t think the Raptors have to &quot;tank&quot; for the next few years.  I think, if Bargnani and Turkoglu are traded this summer, and if the Raptors can somehow grab Rubio, I can see the Raptors competing for the playoffs in a year or two.  Obviously that depends on the quality of lottery pick they get next year and when Rubio comes over.  That may be optimistic, but I think the Raptors are ahead of where the THunder were when they drafted Durant.  I think there are only two players from the team that drafted Durant that are still on the roster today.  The Raptors have a number of good, young core players, already.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have no problem with the Raptors adding a player who can play now, or even a solid veteran, depending on his position.  I think the Raptors have a number of young, talented pieces (Davis, Alabi, Johnson, Weems, DeRozan and Belinelli) that a total rebuild is not necessarily in order.  While I really think the team needs to focus on the development of younger players, I think a team comprised solely of young players can be dangerous for their development.  Without a few veterans, even ones who play in excess of 20 mpg, is important.  I think the type of veteran is incredibly important, which is why I&#8217;d love to get a guy like Battier, who is a solid veteran leader.  </p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t think the Raptors have to &#8220;tank&#8221; for the next few years.  I think, if Bargnani and Turkoglu are traded this summer, and if the Raptors can somehow grab Rubio, I can see the Raptors competing for the playoffs in a year or two.  Obviously that depends on the quality of lottery pick they get next year and when Rubio comes over.  That may be optimistic, but I think the Raptors are ahead of where the THunder were when they drafted Durant.  I think there are only two players from the team that drafted Durant that are still on the roster today.  The Raptors have a number of good, young core players, already.</p>
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		<title>By: khandor</title>
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		<dc:creator>khandor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 20:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim,

If the Raptors trade Marcus Banks and Reggie Evans this summer ... as their expiring contracts ... in exchange for a player [or two] who can play in the team&#039;s rotation this season, will this effect your opinion of how Bryan Colangelo feels about re-building the Raptors vs fielding the best team possible for this coming season?

i.e. IMO, Bryan Colangelo has not shown the signs that he is in favour of undergoing a total re-build with the Raptors, which would require tanking for the next few seasons and trading current assets for future ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim,</p>
<p>If the Raptors trade Marcus Banks and Reggie Evans this summer &#8230; as their expiring contracts &#8230; in exchange for a player [or two] who can play in the team&#8217;s rotation this season, will this effect your opinion of how Bryan Colangelo feels about re-building the Raptors vs fielding the best team possible for this coming season?</p>
<p>i.e. IMO, Bryan Colangelo has not shown the signs that he is in favour of undergoing a total re-build with the Raptors, which would require tanking for the next few seasons and trading current assets for future ones.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim W.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Jul 2010 04:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>khandor,

I don&#039;t think MLSE will have much to do with what happens with the Raptors, and if they do, I think Colangelo will leave, as he did in Phoenix.  I think MLSE trusts Colangelo more than any other GM they&#039;ve had and basically give him leeway to do what he wants.  Hopefully Colangelo feels the way you and I do about rebuilding.  So far, his moves lead me to believe he very well might.

J,

I think, if it hadn&#039;t been so late, I probably would have thought through the trades a little more, but the gist of what I want is there.  I&#039;d certainly love to get Derrick Favours, and I think he and Davis would be quite a unique and intimidating pairing eventually.  Favors is only 18, and if he grows any more, I think he&#039;ll be able to play center.  He very well might be able to right now.

Rubio, obviously, is the other guy I&#039;d really love to get.  I mean, if there wasn&#039;t a better match than Rubio and the Raptors, I don&#039;t know what it is.

It&#039;s funny how contracts seem to immediately change the minds of fans.  Everyone loved Amir when he was making $3 million a season, but at $6.7 million (averaged out), he&#039;s getting a lot of hate, as you well know.  The thing is, his contract might very well be structured so that he&#039;s making $5 million next season, and then $9 in a team option year 5.  No one knows, at this point.  It&#039;s all speculation at how the contract is laid out, and without knowing that, it&#039;s hard to really evaluate it much.  I though Bargnani making $10 million this season was a little too much, but he&#039;s making $8 million, with the numbers going up each year.  I like that much better (especially since I&#039;m hoping the Raptors aren&#039;t going to be paying him for most of it).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>khandor,</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think MLSE will have much to do with what happens with the Raptors, and if they do, I think Colangelo will leave, as he did in Phoenix.  I think MLSE trusts Colangelo more than any other GM they&#8217;ve had and basically give him leeway to do what he wants.  Hopefully Colangelo feels the way you and I do about rebuilding.  So far, his moves lead me to believe he very well might.</p>
<p>J,</p>
<p>I think, if it hadn&#8217;t been so late, I probably would have thought through the trades a little more, but the gist of what I want is there.  I&#8217;d certainly love to get Derrick Favours, and I think he and Davis would be quite a unique and intimidating pairing eventually.  Favors is only 18, and if he grows any more, I think he&#8217;ll be able to play center.  He very well might be able to right now.</p>
<p>Rubio, obviously, is the other guy I&#8217;d really love to get.  I mean, if there wasn&#8217;t a better match than Rubio and the Raptors, I don&#8217;t know what it is.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s funny how contracts seem to immediately change the minds of fans.  Everyone loved Amir when he was making $3 million a season, but at $6.7 million (averaged out), he&#8217;s getting a lot of hate, as you well know.  The thing is, his contract might very well be structured so that he&#8217;s making $5 million next season, and then $9 in a team option year 5.  No one knows, at this point.  It&#8217;s all speculation at how the contract is laid out, and without knowing that, it&#8217;s hard to really evaluate it much.  I though Bargnani making $10 million this season was a little too much, but he&#8217;s making $8 million, with the numbers going up each year.  I like that much better (especially since I&#8217;m hoping the Raptors aren&#8217;t going to be paying him for most of it).</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jul 2010 22:28:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can honestly say I&#039;d be okay with each and every single one of those trades.  Who cares if Bosh or Turkoglu go to a division rival.  If that&#039;s the best deal possible for your team, you make it regardless.  And it&#039;s funny, because people constantly play down Toronto&#039;s 47-35 season because it was an easy division, and yet it seems all they care about is making sure their division rivals are weak.  If Toronto doesn&#039;t make the right moves moving forward, it won&#039;t matter.

I do wish Amir had been signed to a cheaper contract though, if only because the size of the contract is what defines a player as good or bad.  Turkoglu for $10+ mil a year is bad; Turkoglu for $5-7 mil a year is good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can honestly say I&#8217;d be okay with each and every single one of those trades.  Who cares if Bosh or Turkoglu go to a division rival.  If that&#8217;s the best deal possible for your team, you make it regardless.  And it&#8217;s funny, because people constantly play down Toronto&#8217;s 47-35 season because it was an easy division, and yet it seems all they care about is making sure their division rivals are weak.  If Toronto doesn&#8217;t make the right moves moving forward, it won&#8217;t matter.</p>
<p>I do wish Amir had been signed to a cheaper contract though, if only because the size of the contract is what defines a player as good or bad.  Turkoglu for $10+ mil a year is bad; Turkoglu for $5-7 mil a year is good.</p>
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